1 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:08,210 I work at the laboratory for atmospheric 2 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:10,410 and space physics I am in a part of the 3 00:00:13,940 --> 00:00:11,849 atmospheric and oceanic to Sciences 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:13,950 Department at this university and have 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:15,450 the privilege of opening up this talk on 6 00:00:19,550 --> 00:00:17,730 how astrobiology pertains to exoplanets 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:19,560 and so what I've been doing for my 8 00:00:22,939 --> 00:00:20,970 project for the past several months and 9 00:00:25,370 --> 00:00:22,949 what I hope to continue to do is to take 10 00:00:26,990 --> 00:00:25,380 a look at the fairly common types of 11 00:00:29,810 --> 00:00:27,000 planets that we observe in the galaxy or 12 00:00:31,370 --> 00:00:29,820 that we think we observe and to assess 13 00:00:33,229 --> 00:00:31,380 how they might be habitable and under 14 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:33,239 what conditions that might be true so 15 00:00:37,130 --> 00:00:35,010 I've been doing is I've been assessing 16 00:00:39,740 --> 00:00:37,140 the habitability of tidally locked 17 00:00:42,229 --> 00:00:39,750 earth-like exoplanets around m-type 18 00:00:44,030 --> 00:00:42,239 stars and as those are a lot of words 19 00:00:46,100 --> 00:00:44,040 I'm going to explain it more in depth 20 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:46,110 what those mean and why we're interested 21 00:00:51,410 --> 00:00:49,410 in them so first you might ask what is a 22 00:00:53,959 --> 00:00:51,420 tidally locked planet I'm still glad you 23 00:00:56,150 --> 00:00:53,969 did as explained by this excellent 24 00:00:57,529 --> 00:00:56,160 diagram right here at ideologue planet 25 00:00:59,720 --> 00:00:57,539 is a planet that always has the same 26 00:01:01,760 --> 00:00:59,730 side facing its star so a great example 27 00:01:03,260 --> 00:01:01,770 of this is Earth's moon we always see 28 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:03,270 the same side of the moon and it was 29 00:01:06,469 --> 00:01:05,250 until we sent astronauts up that we got 30 00:01:08,420 --> 00:01:06,479 a look at the dark side of the moon and 31 00:01:10,370 --> 00:01:08,430 why are we interested in this type of 32 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:10,380 planet we're just in this type of planet 33 00:01:15,230 --> 00:01:12,570 because according to certain surveys 34 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:15,240 some more some less title of planets may 35 00:01:18,380 --> 00:01:17,130 make up for about half of the planets we 36 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:18,390 observe out there so some of those 37 00:01:21,950 --> 00:01:20,340 planets perhaps half those plants maybe 38 00:01:23,630 --> 00:01:21,960 more maybe less might not actually be 39 00:01:25,609 --> 00:01:23,640 rotating and a lot of studies have been 40 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:25,619 done concerning how habitability 41 00:01:30,230 --> 00:01:28,710 pertains to earth-like planets rotate so 42 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:30,240 we're going to expand our knowledge of 43 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:32,250 what type of plans might be habitable we 44 00:01:37,069 --> 00:01:33,650 need to take a look at these planets 45 00:01:39,050 --> 00:01:37,079 secondly an M star so for the non 46 00:01:40,460 --> 00:01:39,060 astronomers in the room an M star is a 47 00:01:42,289 --> 00:01:40,470 main sequence star that's the most 48 00:01:44,719 --> 00:01:42,299 common star in our galaxy it's slightly 49 00:01:46,490 --> 00:01:44,729 cooler than our Sun and because the fact 50 00:01:49,310 --> 00:01:46,500 that is highly abundant we need to know 51 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:49,320 how this sort of start its radiation the 52 00:01:53,179 --> 00:01:51,090 planets that orbit it might affect the 53 00:01:55,010 --> 00:01:53,189 habitability of these planets so taken 54 00:01:57,410 --> 00:01:55,020 together at ideologues planet and M 55 00:01:59,840 --> 00:01:57,420 stars these types of planets are fairly 56 00:02:01,370 --> 00:01:59,850 common relative to others at least in 57 00:02:03,709 --> 00:02:01,380 terrestrial type planets in our galaxy 58 00:02:05,899 --> 00:02:03,719 and those are ideal candidates for 59 00:02:07,370 --> 00:02:05,909 studying habitability simply because 60 00:02:09,650 --> 00:02:07,380 they're fairly common and because a lot 61 00:02:11,260 --> 00:02:09,660 of studies pertaining give evidence that 62 00:02:14,140 --> 00:02:11,270 they might be common in general 63 00:02:15,550 --> 00:02:14,150 and earth-like so I'm sure many people 64 00:02:17,290 --> 00:02:15,560 in this room would agree that there are 65 00:02:18,790 --> 00:02:17,300 many ways a planet might become 66 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:18,800 habitable and that is very interesting 67 00:02:22,930 --> 00:02:21,410 for our purposes however we're trying to 68 00:02:24,490 --> 00:02:22,940 determine how a planet might stay 69 00:02:26,650 --> 00:02:24,500 habitable in the long term so we're not 70 00:02:28,150 --> 00:02:26,660 going to theorize necessarily how a 71 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:28,160 planet might become habitable but 72 00:02:31,390 --> 00:02:29,690 whether that have ability is maintained 73 00:02:33,460 --> 00:02:31,400 so we did for a product is we simply 74 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:33,470 took earth as it is stuck at around an M 75 00:02:37,450 --> 00:02:35,690 star made it tidally locked and ran it 76 00:02:39,190 --> 00:02:37,460 and see what happens and when I say 77 00:02:41,890 --> 00:02:39,200 earth-like I simply mean the planet has 78 00:02:44,230 --> 00:02:41,900 Earth's atmosphere its mass its 79 00:02:47,050 --> 00:02:44,240 composition which include ocean and 80 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:47,060 continental configuration and the solar 81 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:48,470 constant the top of the atmosphere so 82 00:02:52,150 --> 00:02:49,610 the ax radiance receives its healthy 83 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:52,160 atmosphere all right so how are we doing 84 00:02:58,570 --> 00:02:55,210 this to do this we've been using a very 85 00:03:00,310 --> 00:02:58,580 effective and very powerful GCM which 86 00:03:02,020 --> 00:03:00,320 stands for general circulation model 87 00:03:03,490 --> 00:03:02,030 called the community Earth's systems 88 00:03:05,470 --> 00:03:03,500 model which was developed here in 89 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:05,480 boulder at the National Center for 90 00:03:08,980 --> 00:03:07,370 Atmospheric Research and car and what 91 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:08,990 this model does it's it's a 3d model 92 00:03:13,900 --> 00:03:10,970 which couples the various processes you 93 00:03:16,060 --> 00:03:13,910 might find on a planet's surface so for 94 00:03:17,890 --> 00:03:16,070 instance it takes the atmospheric 95 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:17,900 processes the oceanic processes the land 96 00:03:22,330 --> 00:03:20,209 sea ice land ice processes it analyzes 97 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:22,340 their demand dynamics individually the 98 00:03:27,370 --> 00:03:24,410 radio transfer processes individually it 99 00:03:28,810 --> 00:03:27,380 couples them message them together and 100 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:28,820 then after running the simulation for a 101 00:03:31,030 --> 00:03:29,810 certain amount of time you get a 102 00:03:33,130 --> 00:03:31,040 snapshot of what the plan is going to be 103 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:33,140 like in a couple of years or several 104 00:03:36,460 --> 00:03:35,090 decades depending on the scale and for 105 00:03:39,310 --> 00:03:36,470 our specific purposes we're also looking 106 00:03:41,830 --> 00:03:39,320 at a very powerful component of this GCM 107 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:41,840 which is the whole atmosphere community 108 00:03:46,540 --> 00:03:45,050 climate model abbreviated wacom and with 109 00:03:48,250 --> 00:03:46,550 this model does is it extends the 110 00:03:50,380 --> 00:03:48,260 atmosphere all the way up past 150 111 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:50,390 kilometers and allows for complex 112 00:03:53,260 --> 00:03:51,890 interactions between the different 113 00:03:54,699 --> 00:03:53,270 layers of the atmosphere so it allows 114 00:03:56,949 --> 00:03:54,709 for communication for example between 115 00:03:59,020 --> 00:03:56,959 the mesosphere and the stratosphere it 116 00:04:00,610 --> 00:03:59,030 analyzes the chemical constituents of 117 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:00,620 the app of the different amounts of the 118 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:02,450 atmosphere the rating of transfer 119 00:04:06,730 --> 00:04:04,730 processes and we're very interested in 120 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:06,740 that because we're looking into things 121 00:04:10,690 --> 00:04:08,690 like how the planet might be properly 122 00:04:13,150 --> 00:04:10,700 shielded from UV radiation how the 123 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:13,160 planet might out what those chemicals 124 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:14,330 might do to influence a plant's 125 00:04:18,010 --> 00:04:16,130 radiation budget so we want to know the 126 00:04:19,810 --> 00:04:18,020 very intricate and specific components 127 00:04:20,979 --> 00:04:19,820 of the different spheres and how that 128 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:20,989 will contribute to planetary 129 00:04:24,300 --> 00:04:22,250 habitability and it's been very 130 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:24,310 successful the only problem however is 131 00:04:28,860 --> 00:04:26,110 this is specifically geared to earth so 132 00:04:30,990 --> 00:04:28,870 it's a hell of a pain to adjust it for a 133 00:04:33,629 --> 00:04:31,000 different type of planet nevertheless 134 00:04:36,030 --> 00:04:33,639 this has been our plan thus far we have 135 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:36,040 these GCS we have these powerful GCM CSM 136 00:04:41,750 --> 00:04:38,770 welcome and we start off with our basic 137 00:04:45,420 --> 00:04:41,760 simulation of a rotating earth around a 138 00:04:47,490 --> 00:04:45,430 around our Sun step one of the plan has 139 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:47,500 been to make earth tidally locked so 140 00:04:51,659 --> 00:04:49,510 this simply involves just altering the 141 00:04:54,180 --> 00:04:51,669 code such that Earth's day is equal to 142 00:04:56,670 --> 00:04:54,190 Earth's here so we have the same side of 143 00:04:58,260 --> 00:04:56,680 the earth facing the Sun run that ensure 144 00:05:00,270 --> 00:04:58,270 it remains habitable and if that is 145 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:00,280 successful we move on to step two which 146 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:02,650 is to adjust the radiation spectrum 147 00:05:07,650 --> 00:05:03,850 received at the top of the atmosphere 148 00:05:09,390 --> 00:05:07,660 for an M star we move it closer to the 149 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:09,400 planets such that it has the same solar 150 00:05:14,129 --> 00:05:11,770 constant at the for this particular 151 00:05:16,850 --> 00:05:14,139 planet and we ensure that its tidally 152 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:16,860 locked and run it and see if it works 153 00:05:21,930 --> 00:05:20,080 and just to give you an idea of what 154 00:05:23,430 --> 00:05:21,940 changing the radiation special involved 155 00:05:24,810 --> 00:05:23,440 the more complicated stuff is I'm sure 156 00:05:26,580 --> 00:05:24,820 many of you are familiar with the plank 157 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:26,590 function here you can see the solar 158 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:28,330 spectrum of the earth that according to 159 00:05:31,950 --> 00:05:30,490 different wavelengths if we fit of plank 160 00:05:34,050 --> 00:05:31,960 function to the Sun that coincides 161 00:05:35,670 --> 00:05:34,060 exactly with those observations but with 162 00:05:38,219 --> 00:05:35,680 an M star we're looking at peak 163 00:05:39,630 --> 00:05:38,229 wavelengths at different we're peak 164 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:39,640 radiances at different wavelengths and 165 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:41,530 so that's a bit more on a complicated 166 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:45,330 process alright so due to the 167 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:48,250 complicated nature of this project we've 168 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:50,050 only been able to do step one and I 169 00:05:55,110 --> 00:05:51,370 assure you we have very close to doing 170 00:05:56,490 --> 00:05:55,120 step two but not today so we've been 171 00:05:59,190 --> 00:05:56,500 able to do step one which is we've 172 00:06:01,140 --> 00:05:59,200 stimulated 80 years of a current earth 173 00:06:03,779 --> 00:06:01,150 so earth as it is and we've also 174 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:03,789 simulated 80 years worth of a tidally 175 00:06:08,340 --> 00:06:06,370 locked earth and the planets very 176 00:06:10,890 --> 00:06:08,350 fortunately are in equilibrium where 177 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:10,900 your chance for equilibrium and we're 178 00:06:14,430 --> 00:06:13,150 comparing them to make sure that current 179 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:14,440 or that's habitable by God we hope 180 00:06:18,930 --> 00:06:16,690 that's true and that title locked earth 181 00:06:20,730 --> 00:06:18,940 will remain habitable to look for this 182 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:20,740 what we're looking for specifically it's 183 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:22,690 were looking for adequate ozone 184 00:06:25,950 --> 00:06:24,250 shielding so adequate shielding and 185 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:25,960 harmful UV radiation that might destroy 186 00:06:30,900 --> 00:06:28,510 life before it can get off habitable 187 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:30,910 temperatures such that you know the 188 00:06:34,770 --> 00:06:32,650 planet is comfortable to surface that 189 00:06:37,529 --> 00:06:34,780 life can exist and along with that is 190 00:06:38,129 --> 00:06:37,539 presence of liquid water so we have 191 00:06:40,679 --> 00:06:38,139 results 192 00:06:42,119 --> 00:06:40,689 our first result ozone distribution so 193 00:06:44,459 --> 00:06:42,129 what you're looking at here on the left 194 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:44,469 is current earth ozone distribution 195 00:06:49,469 --> 00:06:46,930 you're seeing a longitudinally averaged 196 00:06:52,529 --> 00:06:49,479 column ozone as a function of pressure 197 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:52,539 ie altitude and latitude on the planet 198 00:06:55,830 --> 00:06:54,310 and on the right you're seeing the same 199 00:06:58,260 --> 00:06:55,840 thing for a tell you logged earth except 200 00:07:00,719 --> 00:06:58,270 I will point out that for current earth 201 00:07:02,850 --> 00:07:00,729 this is snapshot as the same regardless 202 00:07:04,350 --> 00:07:02,860 of which lon longitude specifically 203 00:07:06,719 --> 00:07:04,360 you're looking at how to lock earth 204 00:07:08,429 --> 00:07:06,729 however it's very different from the day 205 00:07:10,230 --> 00:07:08,439 and night side we're very interested in 206 00:07:11,580 --> 00:07:10,240 the Sun and the day side however because 207 00:07:14,309 --> 00:07:11,590 that's the portion that needs to be 208 00:07:16,950 --> 00:07:14,319 shielded from the Sun so when ruling at 209 00:07:17,909 --> 00:07:16,960 ozone concentration and on earth most of 210 00:07:19,860 --> 00:07:17,919 our ozone is concentrate in the 211 00:07:23,249 --> 00:07:19,870 stratosphere and that can reach up to 10 212 00:07:24,689 --> 00:07:23,259 parts per million so fortunately we were 213 00:07:26,790 --> 00:07:24,699 able to simulate this for current earth 214 00:07:28,890 --> 00:07:26,800 we have up to 10 parts per million in 215 00:07:30,719 --> 00:07:28,900 the stratosphere and it looks like those 216 00:07:33,899 --> 00:07:30,729 concentrations are there that's what we 217 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:33,909 observe normally with actual with actual 218 00:07:37,950 --> 00:07:35,289 missions up to this types of 219 00:07:40,170 --> 00:07:37,960 stratosphere and fortunately using the 220 00:07:42,119 --> 00:07:40,180 same scale we see we have the same ozone 221 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:42,129 concentration on art ideologue planet so 222 00:07:45,659 --> 00:07:43,930 it's very reasonable to conclude that 223 00:07:49,619 --> 00:07:45,669 this planet is adequately shielded from 224 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:49,629 UV radiation brilliant ok and also going 225 00:07:52,860 --> 00:07:51,490 along with that is in addition to ozone 226 00:07:54,149 --> 00:07:52,870 an extra protection from the Sun might 227 00:07:56,450 --> 00:07:54,159 be cloud cover so what you've seen here 228 00:07:59,040 --> 00:07:56,460 is you're seeing a map of the earth 229 00:08:01,290 --> 00:07:59,050 centered around the Prime Meridian in 230 00:08:03,059 --> 00:08:01,300 the Pacific Ocean and that's fairly 231 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:03,069 typical cloud cover for Earth on tightly 232 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:04,330 locked earth however all the clouds are 233 00:08:07,379 --> 00:08:05,889 concentrated over the subcellar region 234 00:08:09,029 --> 00:08:07,389 so right over where the Sun is so it's 235 00:08:10,079 --> 00:08:09,039 kind of cloudy where it is but 236 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:10,089 nevertheless this is added protection 237 00:08:14,939 --> 00:08:12,310 against advert action against any 238 00:08:16,589 --> 00:08:14,949 additional radiation our second results 239 00:08:18,209 --> 00:08:16,599 temperature so again what you're seeing 240 00:08:19,980 --> 00:08:18,219 is you're seeing a slice of the 241 00:08:24,209 --> 00:08:19,990 atmosphere from monsey student 242 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:24,219 marginally averaged slices across the 243 00:08:28,019 --> 00:08:26,710 across the planet and fortunately the 244 00:08:29,579 --> 00:08:28,029 two planets seem to have very similar 245 00:08:32,550 --> 00:08:29,589 temperatures structures of the 246 00:08:34,170 --> 00:08:32,560 atmosphere key importance is the 247 00:08:35,339 --> 00:08:34,180 temperature on the surface of the earth 248 00:08:37,110 --> 00:08:35,349 so we're looking at comfortable 249 00:08:40,439 --> 00:08:37,120 temperatures above freezing above 273 250 00:08:42,089 --> 00:08:40,449 Kelvin but not you know 500 fortunately 251 00:08:43,620 --> 00:08:42,099 on the surface of our current earth 252 00:08:45,660 --> 00:08:43,630 that's what we observe especially around 253 00:08:47,309 --> 00:08:45,670 the equatorial regions and on our 254 00:08:48,930 --> 00:08:47,319 dialogues planet again that's what we 255 00:08:50,670 --> 00:08:48,940 observe so it's excellent so we get to 256 00:08:51,390 --> 00:08:50,680 see that much how I left Earth is in 257 00:08:53,580 --> 00:08:51,400 fact comfortable 258 00:08:55,710 --> 00:08:53,590 above the substellar region at least 259 00:08:58,590 --> 00:08:55,720 this is not true for the entire planet 260 00:09:01,080 --> 00:08:58,600 what you're seeing here for current 261 00:09:03,420 --> 00:09:01,090 earth is that you know the temperature 262 00:09:05,610 --> 00:09:03,430 across the equatorial regions all the 263 00:09:07,260 --> 00:09:05,620 way up to all the way up to the sub 264 00:09:08,850 --> 00:09:07,270 polar regions is fairly comfortable a 265 00:09:11,010 --> 00:09:08,860 jolly old time in any of the continents 266 00:09:12,810 --> 00:09:11,020 but on the target locked planet this 267 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:12,820 comfortable temperature is only true 268 00:09:17,220 --> 00:09:15,010 over the subsolar region so the entire 269 00:09:18,630 --> 00:09:17,230 planet the entire planet is not 270 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:18,640 necessarily habitable some of the 271 00:09:22,530 --> 00:09:19,890 contents might be covered in glaciers 272 00:09:24,210 --> 00:09:22,540 but at least it is habitable for 273 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:24,220 specific regions which is so important 274 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:25,570 so the planet in general is still 275 00:09:30,590 --> 00:09:27,610 habitable regarding temperature and 276 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:30,600 finally liquid water content as I said a 277 00:09:34,980 --> 00:09:32,770 lot of the planet might be covered in 278 00:09:36,570 --> 00:09:34,990 glaciers I will a bit for current rate 279 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:36,580 simulations it's a little bit colder 280 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:37,810 earth might be going in a bit of an ice 281 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:39,490 age right now but earth is still 282 00:09:43,860 --> 00:09:41,710 habitable we have liquid water present 283 00:09:45,810 --> 00:09:43,870 especially about the equatorial regions 284 00:09:49,950 --> 00:09:45,820 and a tidy locks planet it's right above 285 00:09:52,860 --> 00:09:49,960 the subcellar region and this is a map 286 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:52,870 concerning ice cover as well so it's the 287 00:09:56,670 --> 00:09:55,090 plan it's not dry it is in fact where 288 00:09:59,100 --> 00:09:56,680 there's not liquid water here it's 289 00:10:00,900 --> 00:09:59,110 covered by ice so liquid water is still 290 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:00,910 there at what water so there's just not 291 00:10:05,250 --> 00:10:01,930 a ser liquid throughout the entire 292 00:10:07,020 --> 00:10:05,260 planet alright so I'm not very short 293 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:07,030 presentation what we've been able to 294 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:09,610 conclude is that we have verified step 295 00:10:13,740 --> 00:10:11,770 one that earth that's how do a locked is 296 00:10:16,110 --> 00:10:13,750 not necessarily perfect but it does 297 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:16,120 remain habitable on this because it does 298 00:10:19,980 --> 00:10:18,250 have that adequate UV shielding from 299 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:19,990 ozone concentration that i mentioned 300 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:21,370 habitable temperatures on its surface 301 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:24,970 and it does have liquid water so I'm no 302 00:10:29,820 --> 00:10:27,010 biologist but I will say that those are 303 00:10:31,710 --> 00:10:29,830 pretty pretty good components for having 304 00:10:34,110 --> 00:10:31,720 life on the surface of the planet the 305 00:10:38,340 --> 00:10:34,120 next step will be to put it around an M 306 00:10:40,290 --> 00:10:38,350 star and see where that takes us so I 307 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:40,300 did it end early so I can take a couple 308 00:10:57,820 --> 00:10:42,570 of questions thank you very much 309 00:11:01,430 --> 00:10:57,830 Oh God okay uh Jay uh yeah great talk um 310 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:01,440 you pointed out uh rather you were 311 00:11:05,870 --> 00:11:03,930 tidally locked over an ocean do you get 312 00:11:08,930 --> 00:11:05,880 any changes if you tidally lock over one 313 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:08,940 of the continents that is that is a 314 00:11:12,410 --> 00:11:10,680 brilliant question and I would love to 315 00:11:14,540 --> 00:11:12,420 give you an answer we just haven't done 316 00:11:16,730 --> 00:11:14,550 it with the subsolar region over the 317 00:11:17,900 --> 00:11:16,740 continents yet so it's it's on the way 318 00:11:26,180 --> 00:11:17,910 but I wish I'd give you a better answer 319 00:11:29,900 --> 00:11:26,190 okay I haven't been to the side of the 320 00:11:31,430 --> 00:11:29,910 room yet sorry hi so my question is is 321 00:11:33,650 --> 00:11:31,440 this is the Earth's atmosphere as it is 322 00:11:37,490 --> 00:11:33,660 now so the Earth's atmosphere has not 323 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:37,500 been the same over its lifetime so that 324 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:40,050 does this can it with this code can you 325 00:11:44,210 --> 00:11:41,850 change the composition of the Earth's 326 00:11:45,830 --> 00:11:44,220 atmosphere and see if you had if you 327 00:11:47,090 --> 00:11:45,840 cranked up the carbon what you would 328 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:47,100 look like and then track that through 329 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:49,110 time we certainly can there are many 330 00:11:54,050 --> 00:11:50,850 different components to this model CSM 331 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:54,060 has has various compiler called comcept 332 00:11:59,810 --> 00:11:57,210 component sets spanning pre-industrial 333 00:12:03,050 --> 00:11:59,820 revolution atmospheres modern-day 334 00:12:05,090 --> 00:12:03,060 atmospheres we just chose our current 335 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:05,100 atmosphere because we had no reason not 336 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:08,610 to it's if the atmosphere does evolve 337 00:12:16,340 --> 00:12:10,800 that's absolutely true it just so 338 00:12:18,410 --> 00:12:16,350 happened to start with this is a great 339 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:18,420 talk could you mind please going back to 340 00:12:23,930 --> 00:12:21,210 your temperature at that one let's order 341 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:23,940 this one act one more please heckle that 342 00:12:31,330 --> 00:12:29,370 one okay there you go all right so it 343 00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:31,340 looks like you're under estimating the 344 00:12:36,710 --> 00:12:35,640 fraction of ocean liquid can you tell me 345 00:12:38,690 --> 00:12:36,720 a little bit more about this is you sort 346 00:12:40,070 --> 00:12:38,700 went through this quickly yes I did so 347 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:40,080 what you're seeing here is you're seeing 348 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:42,570 a map of Earth centered around the Prime 349 00:12:49,730 --> 00:12:44,370 Meridian so around the Pacific Ocean the 350 00:12:53,510 --> 00:12:49,740 red is well fraction out of one of the 351 00:12:56,510 --> 00:12:53,520 surface covered by ocean and the blue is 352 00:12:59,060 --> 00:12:56,520 not but as I demonstrate it from this 353 00:13:00,740 --> 00:12:59,070 other for the subsequent plot is that 354 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:00,750 it's not necessarily dry it's just 355 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:02,370 covered by a glacier the model treats 356 00:13:06,620 --> 00:13:04,890 glacier and land to be the same okay so 357 00:13:08,510 --> 00:13:06,630 you say glacier with it so that's pack 358 00:13:10,700 --> 00:13:08,520 ice effectively is that how you would 359 00:13:12,170 --> 00:13:10,710 interpret that for modern is that 360 00:13:14,750 --> 00:13:12,180 basically am I looking at pack ice and 361 00:13:16,220 --> 00:13:14,760 read for the modern ocean okay so your 362 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:16,230 model actually effectively way 363 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:19,770 underestimates the the heat capacity of 364 00:13:23,930 --> 00:13:21,570 the ocean or how the ocean atmosphere is 365 00:13:25,970 --> 00:13:23,940 reacting right so yes this is this is 366 00:13:28,670 --> 00:13:25,980 obviously not Turner no I understand but 367 00:13:30,020 --> 00:13:28,680 I'm so I'm wondering sort of that 368 00:13:31,790 --> 00:13:30,030 underestimation then gets transferred 369 00:13:36,290 --> 00:13:31,800 over to your scenario for the tightly 370 00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:36,300 locked earth in addition do you take 371 00:13:42,290 --> 00:13:39,120 into account heat transport latent heat 372 00:13:44,630 --> 00:13:42,300 transport by clouds um the model should 373 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:44,640 I will say however that a possibility 374 00:13:48,470 --> 00:13:46,410 one of the possibilities as to why this 375 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:48,480 is true is it treats the ocean as a slab 376 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:50,730 it does not treat it does not treat deep 377 00:13:54,710 --> 00:13:53,040 ocean dynamics and that would be a very 378 00:13:56,750 --> 00:13:54,720 helpful step is just more 379 00:13:59,270 --> 00:13:56,760 computationally expensive so since we 380 00:14:01,460 --> 00:13:59,280 did not put ocean the ocean as we and 381 00:14:05,290 --> 00:14:01,470 this land and sea ice cover as we expect 382 00:14:12,020 --> 00:14:09,950 hi um so when something becomes tidally 383 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:12,030 locked do you consider what happens to 384 00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:14,250 the magnetic field that it's generating 385 00:14:18,230 --> 00:14:16,230 and if so do you account for like the 386 00:14:21,950 --> 00:14:18,240 increased amount of flux that it's going 387 00:14:24,740 --> 00:14:21,960 to receive from the star from the wind 388 00:14:27,740 --> 00:14:24,750 we did not take that into consideration 389 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:27,750 I have no idea how am I going to feel 390 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:30,570 will be affected we have time for one 391 00:14:39,110 --> 00:14:37,110 more quick so back to the idea and 392 00:14:41,540 --> 00:14:39,120 dwarfs um they're more active than 393 00:14:44,450 --> 00:14:41,550 solar-type stars so with those title ox 394 00:14:48,860 --> 00:14:44,460 planets in the place where the house you 395 00:14:50,750 --> 00:14:48,870 radiation might make a difference yes so 396 00:14:52,820 --> 00:14:50,760 they will be closer to their host star 397 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:52,830 to consider if we're going to keep these 398 00:14:57,380 --> 00:14:54,330 rating to the top of the atmosphere 399 00:14:59,660 --> 00:14:57,390 constant and yes they are more active 400 00:15:02,480 --> 00:14:59,670 there are a couple of papers out there 401 00:15:04,190 --> 00:15:02,490 that have analyzed solar flares and 402 00:15:10,010 --> 00:15:04,200 their effects and habitability the 403 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:10,020 latest one I read by I think involved 404 00:15:15,740 --> 00:15:12,930 Orion Abbott he he and his group did 405 00:15:19,310 --> 00:15:15,750 show that it was not as catastrophic as 406 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:19,320 a so affair from our Sun might be but 407 00:15:24,050 --> 00:15:21,930 that was specifically pertaining to UV 408 00:15:26,810 --> 00:15:24,060 shielding so they looked at how it 409 00:15:28,910 --> 00:15:26,820 affect ozone cover and it only reduced 410 00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:28,920 it i think by 2 percent i was wondering 411 00:15:32,930 --> 00:15:31,680 for tailgate lock planets in my you 412 00:15:35,420 --> 00:15:32,940 might be able to push the habitable zone 413 00:15:37,610 --> 00:15:35,430 further out there for the irradiation 414 00:15:41,180 --> 00:15:37,620 might not be as important this just a 415 00:15:44,300 --> 00:15:41,190 lot oh I would have to investigate